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prussanic-miscellanea said:

Public transport *tableflip* I can relate to the inconveniences of public transport.

And they charge you a small fortune for the inconvenience as though it’s actually worth that money.

Yup. I spend like $60AUD a fortnight on travel (and that’s a student concession; which means technically I’m not entitle to a seat if a full fair passenger is standing), and yesterday I was on a train so crowded I had to squeeze myself between the back of a seat and the wall (see the red arrows):

I think the space was only about 20-25 cm wide (left image), and there were at least 6 or 8 people in the aisle way (right image), plus another 8 or so in the vestibule behind the door. It’s outrageous.

I don’t know what your transport system is like, but ours is hideously overcrowded, too. In 2014, The Daily Telegraph published this photo in an article about overcrowding (left), but most days, on the suburban trains during peak hour, it looks more like this (right):

The buses are just as bad, if not worse (source):

And, being road based vehicles, overcrowding and over capacity on the buses is so much more concerning - the chances of being in a collision is so much higher on the road, than on rail.

The majority of buses and trains have CCTV, but I can tell you, from personal experience that when there are that many people on a bus, all you can see are heads, and shoulders. Anything could be happening, and the CCTV, nor most of the passengers would be any the wiser (and by ‘anything’ I mean assault, and by ‘could’ I mean did, does, and will continue to do so).

Sorry, that got away from me, and turned into a bit of a rant.

TL;DR: I feel you: public transport is inconvenient, inadequate, shitty, dangerous and expensive.

Being squeezed behind the seat must’ve been uncomfortable. It varies here. Rush hour public transport is usually a nightmare but generally not so bad the rest of the time. Rush hour on the Underground in Central London is absolute hell and should be avoided at all costs.

The bus I used to get to work was like that but the vast majority of people on it were school kids and sometimes it would get to the point where the driver wouldn’t even stop to let people on it was so crowded. Being squashed up against 50+ teenagers for half an hour at 8am was horrendous and not safe. After about a week I decided I’d walk a bit furthur to another stop to get a different bus and thankfully that one was usually ok. I was lucky I had that option.

It wasn’t too bad, because I am tiny, but I would have preferred not to be there. There is an occasional twinge from one of the muscles in my back, but I wasn’t squished up against any of the other commuters, so I consider that a win.

I’ll have to remember about the London Tube at peak hour though; I’ll be in the UK for a little while in July, and in London for a few days. London actually dwarfs Sydney, so I wouldn’t be surprised if peak hour in London was worse.

And school children on buses are pretty horrendous, although, in my experience mostly benign. Not good in a sensory sense, though. Loud, belligerent, often sweaty.

But yeah, things are really not designed form people who don’t drive, are they?

Oooh have fun in London!

Yeah the kids were pretty harmless but in that confined a space the noise seemed a lot worse. And personal space was non-existent.

I think a big part of them problem is that bus and train operators know that their regular customers have little choice but to use them and so they don’t care enough about making it better.

Okay, if by ‘bus and train operators’, you mean the organisation that runs the public transport newtork, then yes I whole heartedly agree. But if by ‘operators’ you mean the actual people driving the buses/trains, then I think in many ways, they’re just as hamstrung as the passengers.

In the case of train drivers and guards, they’re often in a separate compartment to the passengers, and may not actually know what is going on. The trains I travel on usually have one guard per four carriages (around 436 commuters).

Bus drivers, on the other hand, have more opportunity to get involved, but potentially at a higher personal cost (especially when it comes to school kids, because the parents and the school get involved and then duty of care factors in). I think it’s a little different with paid commuters, especially when a passenger explicitly asks the driver for help, and the driver ignores them (which is a thing that has been reported to have happened here).

Overall, the whole system is just completely and utterly flawed.

UGH CITY RAIL AND SYDNEY BUSES CAN GO TO HELL! I’m very Type A, and sometimes I’m sitting around waiting an hour for a bus that was supposed to come in three minutes, and it makes me late and that makes me so mad. And even then when the bus comes its so freaking crowded like why. And it ends up taking an hout to travel three kms, which I could have walked in a half hour. Ugh. Just ugh. @prussanic-miscellanea, have fun in London-I heard their public transport is pretty good!

Yep, I’ve been there before. Also see: “My train was running late, so even though I was suppose to have a 7 minute connection I missed my bus” and “Both my train and bus were running to time for once, but I still had to wait 27 minutes, because the buses only run every half hour.”

As for London, I have heard that their tube system completely eclipses our rail network, but I still think I’m going to err on the side of caution and avoid peak hour!

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